These dudes are hired hands and dont care about the Lords flock. ", Newman's call came in 13 years ago, butHoffpauir said he remembers thatwhen the phone rang, he was in bed watching TV with his wife, Madison. That is soooooo Christ-like. She's blaming anyone else she can find. The problem is that some organizations will NOT do the right thing until they know it will cost them. That curmudgeonly low paid lawyer who was representing poor victims all those years before the Boston Globe story deserves extra crowns in heaven. The problem is that people who abuse in such a fashion are SKILLED liars! I wish EO churches didnt meet at the same time as the House of Driscoll. No girls allowed. Please consider subscribing to support vital local journalism. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. So that's how it started out.". I suppose the old people miss a lot more than just their hymns, OKRAPOD. After the formal Eucharist the unused wine can either be consumed by the priest and the lay eucharistic ministers or else it can be poured down a special drain directly into the earth, the idea being that consecrated wine is the blood of Christ and he already poured out his blood on the ground at calvary. -Newman invited the plaintiff to a conference in Oklahoma where he tried to get the boy to engage in sodomy, was turned down, and finally convinced him to engage in a mutual masturbation session. Now if I could just find one that preaches Jesus and Him Risen I just might be persuaded to meet up with em, Now if I could just find one that preaches Jesus and Him Risen I just might be persuaded to meet up with em. So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. Kind of a step further than that is holding Kanakuk responsible. The lawsuit accuses the former counselor of sexually abusing the boy in multiple locales: "Newmans home, the Kanakuk Tree Tops Ropes Course, the Kanakuk Bunk house, the Kanakuk K-Kountry Gym, and Kanakuks lake. Its just not worth the risk. Though trusted by many, even parents, Newman was a serial sexual . It also offers an all-ages family resort, along withday camps in eight states including Missouri, Illinois and Texas. Covering up sexual abuse isnt limited to churches and para-churches. (Notably, former KanakukcounselorLee Bradberrywas convictedof second-degree statutory sodomy, sexual misconduct and two counts of child molestation for abusing three underage male campers in 2011. This list of examples I could cite is pretty long. Hoffpauir and Dygert said they are now choosing to make their stories widely public through the news and social media in order to help other survivors and to seek accountability. Pretty sick stuff. Bowing when one passes before the alter where the Sacrament is reserved (kept) is customary. Why is this so *hard* for churches to get right? In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. ", Hoffpauir said he's trying to be supportive. Rick Perry, then 2. So he started a witch hunt over charismata. Criminal behavior to knowingly bring a man charged with paedophilia anywhere NEAR children . I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. Since then I have been much more aware of such individuals. And Im sure there are many people outside the House of Driscoll who think Im defiling their holy temple just by standing on the sidewalk as a (very imperfect) warning about whats within. https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/sandy-willson-of-second-presbyterian-memphis-is-allegedly-notified-in-november-2011-that-a-sexual-predator-was-on-staff-at-downtown-presbyterian-church/#more-7415. Because logic, reason, Christian love for the vulnerable and basic common sense all rebel against these actions! places like Bob Jones, SGM, etc. He also went onfather-son retreats with Newman. There has to be SOME concept of personal responsibility for decision-making, for actions taken . As long as Christians remember the words of St. Peter To whom shall we go, Lord. Beyond lawsuits, those people need to be charged with criminal negligence and the institutions need to be fined heavily, at the very least, no excuses! @ Lea: It occurred to me that if he ever represented what he thinks are body of Christ victims, he would not get a lot of front end business and that is a win for him and his many church/para church clients who have money. The church had a building firm? Judge Orr retired to his chambers to decide Newman's fate for a little over 40 minutes, when he came back and delivered the verdicts it seemed that both side were a little stunned. But by the fruit that is produced. Pedos (and manipulators of every kind) groom third-party Allies (especially Authority figures) to both futher isolate the victim (Go ahead and squeal, Tattle-Tale! I feel like I can tell you anything. I wrote a post Your Pastor Is a Sinner which discusses this very thing. I dont think they have nefarious motives at all. What a beautiful description. And at that point, I was like, OK, this is weird. We need to bee SEEN! Thank you for caring about the children. I would go one further and say that its a popular vacation site for christians and conservative folks who like tradition. Lea wrote: Karis Trippe, senior electrical engineering at John Brown University and former counselor at Kanakuk in 2018, said the camp did mention the incident at camp through the sexual harassment training she took in her counselor orientation. Add to that the kids have not only been molested but have gone through a psychological brain washing and twisting with undeveloped brains. They dont take time off. Yes, by all means, sue the bastardz. This is so true and could be why ministry was a chosen path as people/kids in churches and para church ministries are easier to fool and come in automatically trusting leaders. The most ruinous con men are the most ingratiating, an unfriendly swindler wont get very far. Even some small towns. Hit them where it hurts. And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. Hard to tell whos who and who did what with so many of these clowns milling around scratching each others backs. @ Lea: He was the pastor who allegedly kept thing on the down low. There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. The negotiations were a bruising experience. If they are doing stupid things and then make excuses for not making wise decisions, they are of the false church, regardless of who or what they loudly proclaim. Bridget wrote: They certainly seem militant, OKRAPOD, yes. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? At this point, and as long as there is the eucharistic Body of Christ present one is expected to remember that one is in the sacramental presence of God and behave accordingly. They had connections at Kamp Kanakuk and could have easily madea call to learn the issues surrounding Newman. I dont agree we are talking about Christian institutions that want to do the right thing. See, I never heard this dont trust your conscience thing until I started researching here. In all my years as a baptist I never, that would be never, heard any emphasis on conscience per se-other than what was taught me at home that one cannot trust the conscience since it was in a fallen state. I dont know if you and your family have seen former pastor David Hayward/The Naked Pastors cartoons. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). Actually, it would be better if churches used a secular training program for abuse training. The best part about the Dixie Stampede back then, if you arrived early, you could walk around the stables and see the animals up close and personal. I dont know. I am aware. Hoffpauir describedthe abuse as "threefold:" physical, sexual and spiritual. Boz T. at G.R.A.C.E. Some of the attractions are specifically for the Christian crowd, such as the Sight and Sound Theater with elaborate music and drama productions of Moses and Jonah. That one is chilling. Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? When groups play down their lack of protecting children and punishing those who harmed them, they are acknowledging their incapacity to care about protecting and defending the most vulnerable of society. Kanakuk located in Branson, Missouri,hasbeen long known as the premier Christian camp in the UnitedStates and abroad. Fellowship Memphis appears to have no problem exposing their congregation to a child sex abuser. The episcopal parish where I/we are now has a small sign at those doors which says that the sacrament is reserved in this parish. Join a small fellowship that preaches Jesus and Him crucified but has no desire to become the next mega/multi-site/church planting hub/trendy/etc. He is victim prevention. Had Newman been caught in a sexual relationship with another consenting adult in his own age group, hed have been removed from his position as camp counselor and probably shamed and pariahed out of his church to boot. The real church following the real Jesus produces disciples who grow in the FRUIT of the spirit, not the mere knowledge of some religious system. It is so hard for people to understand how it works. Back in my seeker megas days I knew attorneys (some in my family) who made money keeping those church lawsuits from ever going anywhere. I am well aware that if any situations arise, whether camper to camper or staff to camper, its anybodys guess if any responsible counselor will be notified, if a camper will be believed, if a parent is informed, even if a higher up staff member is informed, much less law enforcement. The only church specific thing I would say is that you might need to teach them not to be naive and Forgiving. Ive always been skeptical about things people say, so I chuffed at people who insisted that they had a call so I had to listen to them. Billy is set for school supplies. I feel that some people have a hard time with the truths around us, not only the sexual abuse by priests, but all bad things. Sheesh, adults are hard pressed. I have heard that Dolly Parton has a show/theater there, too. Hm. How does anyone overlook this? Others have the good fortune not to until they are older. it appears Sandy Wilson was to concerned about church disciplining someone challenging him Figures.. Not just a someone . We should not be surprised about any of this because, again, Jesus warned us before hand. Branson, Missouri. "They were mostly promoting Youth Life at that time," Dygert said, referencing the religious youth group that Kanakuk now calls "K-Life. How does he decide what is a body of Christ and what isnt? Would that even work? ", Later, while Newman workedat one of Kanakuk's overnight camps, Dygert visited him on the job. Thank you! June 2009: Newman producesa written confession of his crimes. When they are above laws, we are done. Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. Centauri Emperor Turhan: How will it end? (I have been but not since I was a kid, and we went for silver dollar city-which is an amusement park). . There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. I can respect that. Bad press maybe. YES! I heard all sorts of stories from extended family with all our ties to SBTS back then. Loritts allegedly responded It was just some skinny dipping thing.. And I found something interesting: Historically there have been two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor and The Slick Deceiver (easily symbolized by The Beast and The False Prophet). I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. And Jesus had a rather scathing viewpoint on this issue, ..whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matt. Hes in the cesspool himself. They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. More:Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting'. If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. The programs also went over grooming signs. Brava, Mirle. They dont want to know the sordid long term details of what goes into the grooming process or the evil deeds. ave they announced who is Gods Choice THIS year? BTW, those Kanakuk kids were mainly looking for counseling expenses and Kanakuk would not pay them. This is worth fighting for. Here is another example: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/01/widespread-abuse-uncovered-during-investigation-into-rhode-island-boarding-school.html. More child sexual abuse in churches. So this is hitting close to home. Caveat emptor folks. I dont know. Protecting the kids from sexual abuse should be pretty basic, both from a Christian standpoint and from a business standpoint. Id just point out that Jesus wasnt very reverent in the holy temple. They were spurred by a growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk that began in early 2021. Why isnt anyone asking why? She me body referenced Dolly Partons theater, Dixie Stampede, with a dinner show featuring live horses. Newman was a long time employeeof the camp but, under his family man, jovial, Christian exterior, there lived a monster. And it sends a message. Nope, we are tithing units and the enemy. That is fine but that is not a victim advocate. I feel that some people have a hard time with the truths around us, not only the sexual abuse by priests, but all bad things. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. Theyre spending ($4,800) a month to bring their kid, and some of these parents have two, three or four kids that are going through Kanakuk every summer, and so theres so much money that goes through the camp that ends up going to Branson and Taney County.. I thought it was weird that he said you shouldnt use the ymca stuff! Ive been thinking about the camps I went to as a teenager. Its shocking the first time. Without success, the News-Leader attempted to reach Staples for comment several times before publication of this report. Join a small fellowship that preaches Jesus and Him crucified but has no desire to become the next mega/multi-site/church planting hub/trendy/etc. He was the pastor who allegedly kept thing on the down low. I harbored no notions that it was safer because it was smaller and closer to homeshe was able to bunk with a friend and I was just ready to loosen my reins a little for her. This movement really appeals to men with mental issues and control issues, and I believe they go after young men who still havent studied the Bible much for themselves. Well, Forced Sex IS a classic Animal Forced Dominance Display. Two years after the Newman case blew up in the media, Newman was sent to prison and Kanakuk finally introduced a "Child Protection Plan"the first time in the camp's long history that procedure and policy surrounding sexual assault was put into writing. last and in between it was always what does the bible say about that and one then was expected to go by what the bible said, not by what one just thought for themselves. Dygert's wife, Chelsea, "is very passionate and has a lot of righteous indignation about what Kanakuk has allowed to happen, and how they've covered it up and continue to cover up their negligence," he said. They *want* to believe that there are people who stand head and shoulders above the rest, spiritually. Donald Trump. Be still and know that I am God? Sure enough, Okrapod. Sandy kicked the issue over to Richard Rieves. (This was posted on the Open Discussion thread.). Any number of the many music and variety shows will have a Christian reference included. So did the Apostle Paul. I have a feeling many of the Church have been exiled by the goatocracy of male headship pastors who are frightened by any real diversity within his realm. When her children were in programs, she volunteered. Its all pride. "Sadly, Pete Newman was a master of deception fooling family, friends, neighbors, and us as his former employer. I wasnt thinking independent, actually it could be aligned with the denomination of your choice, but just not one interested in becoming a major player or adopting the sell-your-soul-to-grow-your-church groupthink we so regularly discuss here. It. What does that mean in plain English, please? Particularly when those who do it depend on the assistance of guides, trackers, and sometimes bait to make their kills. Kanakuk peddles their safety systems for profit to schools, insurance companies, churches and camps. Anyone who survived high school and wasnt a quarterback or cheerleader could tell you that. Both men said the Frenches' reporting gave them a sense of validation, even as it "rocked the boat a lot," in Dygert's words: They learned they weren't alone. Especially by a "Christian leader"??? I think he is clever and I have no doubt his materials are good. That testimony is expected to include the suggestion that John has "false or distorted recollections" of his encounters with Newman as a result of "external suggestion. he recalled. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. They are empty men, pursuing the almighty dollar, masquerading in sheep costumes, men without souls. Churches "Stop knocking yourselves out to distance yourself and let the buck fall at your feet where it belongs.". you wont convince me that one isnt a CYA hire! Demanding submission from people is an ugly business. ", More:Kanakuk camp 'abuse survivors' call for independent investigation into sexual assault accusations. :o). I had always got the impression it is a popular Mormon hangout? Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? They are unfortunately few around us. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: They are unfortunately few around us. Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. Its such a thick environment. They should close down. I dont doubt that male headship, submission of women, the buddy system and looking the other way are all products of some greater issue, and that there is a darker side to that issue than has been explored. There is a barbarian aspect to this. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. Not those who are actual victims from church cover up. X-rated church! that children, in their lives, will come in to contact with sex offenders (including those whove never been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted). And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. Our local news this week reported on a Baptist church music minister sentenced to 30 years in Federal prison for sexual exploitation of minors, including child pornography. . Haw! It is so hard for people to understand how it works. After graduating from Auburn University, Pete was brought on full-time in 1999 and started the Kanakuk Father & Son Retreats. . Heres a David Hayward cartoon in honor of Cecil the Lion killed by a dentist in Africa. so, from this Scripture, would this not flow logically: Deep within his conscience, I dont think so. Ill tell you what. I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. (Dee set up the GoFundMe account for them.) What is the matter with these people? Overthrew the Shah and got the Ayatollahs instead. And I am a nobody so who cares, really? As the News-Leader reported last month, the unsigned open letter argued that Kanakuk should agree to an external, independent investigation by a law firm. I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. They can be hard for people to read but without facing them, it is easy for people to gloss over what was done with words like mistakes failure sin error of judgment etc. Dygert said he signed a non-disclosure agreement with Kanakuk. Ive started blogging, post tour-of-duty on my journey of healing from an authoritarian NeoCalivnist church and included it in a blog post: https://gbfsvchurchabuse.org/2016/08/31/top-ten-signs-of-a-potentially-abusive-church-by-elizabeth-esther/. But That one is more wholesome than the Milgram experiment! They have no problem suing on behalf of victims. Some animals are more equal than others. These churches believe they are beyond reproach. Am I judging all churches? There are goats. 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